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    NEIL JOHNSTON

    Responses and Editor Comment to the Debate

    Winding up the Debate

    The debate that has ignited from comments in an article by John Skyllas on Quality Care Pharmacy Program (QCPP), and the Pharmacy Guild of Australia stewardship of this process, has been passionately opposed by Tim Logan, on behalf of the Pharmacy Guild of Australia.
    Not that John Skyllas has not been equally passionate in his presentation.
    We allowed John Skyllas to view the first Guild response before publishing, and to be fair, we allowed Tim Logan to view John's article before going to print in this edition.
    Both parties have definitely agreed to disagree!
    The guidelines that i2P gives to all writers for this publication are that editing will be limited to eliminating components that may attract a libel suit, plus modifications to spelling and grammar, if applicable.
    We also ask our writers to develop their articles towards potential solutions.
    While opinions on both sides has been strong, it has not ventured into the realms of libel.
    However, both sides have been short on developing solutions
    .

    That there are problems in the Quality Care program is evidenced by the level of complaints that are directed towards i2P and commented on by other authors from time to time.
    No one can argue that it is not "politically correct" to have standards and be able to benchmark against standards.
    This is the difficulty.
    Whose standards, how many will be benchmarked, (and to what depth and detail), and who pays?
    This is the real debate, and further editor discussion follows after you have had a chance to examine Tim Logan's comments, in response to John Skyllas' material presented in this edition.

    Tim Logan:

    "John Skyllas, no Guild official criticises your opinions on the quality of their output, or the correctness of their opinions. What they object to is being accused of behaving unethically (at best), or corruptly (at worst). They particularly object to these accusations being based on incomplete or inaccurate information, which is then recklessly presented by you as fact. They question your credibility when you are confronted with your inaccuracy and then do not display respect for the readers of this newsletters by admitting that you got it wrong.

    I leave readers to form their own judgement of my response to your post on Auspharmlist, by reprinting it below. It is recorded on the Auspharmlist website.

    I'd like to congratulate John for having the commitment to put his views in writing to the Guild (I'm guessing you mean Stephen Greenwood?), API & ACCC regarding this issue (the API/Sigma proposed wholesaler merger). I heartily endorse your right to air your views on this subject, or any other for that matter anytime, anywhere (within the laws against libel & slander, of course).

    What you may not have been aware of, John, is that the Guild in fact conducted a member survey, which demonstrated a significant majority of those surveyed (2:1) would not have a problem with the merger, especially in light of the fact that the Guild extracted many undertakings from the players involved to protect members interests, before any objections it had were withdrawn. If it had been any closer, I'm sure we would have had to take a neutral stance.

    All Councillors declare their interests when joining Council, and declare them for the minutes when appropriate. When you say that the only reason you can think for the Council not to share your opinion on this matter is that every councillor felt they would benefit as shareholders, I am slightly incredulous. Did you never entertain the concept that you and those sharing your view in this regard might not account for a significant proportion of Guild members? An organisation of 4500 members (or thereabouts) will never reflect the views of all of it's members, all of the time. Hopefully, the Council gets it right for a significant majority on almost all occasions.

    It's apparent that on this occasion, your individual view was not reflected by your organisation and that you feel passionately that your view was the correct one. I hope it's an isolated occurrence, and that all the other things the Guild does on your behalf reflect your needs and aspirations more accurately.

    As a Councillor, I will always be happy to discuss issues such as this, and to hear the point of view of others. Sometimes we will agree, sometimes we won't, sometimes I'll have to adjust the stance I have on an issue to reflect that of the majority (or resign, I suppose), but I'll always support your right to be heard (as does my colleague Patrick, I'm sure). I hope you'll also support my right to have a view that differs from yours without having my ethics and performance as a (virtual) Company Director called into question.

    Best wishes

    Tim Logan B Pharm FAICD
    (Qld National Councillor - Pharmacy Guild of Australia)

    (Beneficial shareholder in Sigma Co, Mayne, Colonial Health & Biotech Wholesale Managed Fund, and now Arrow)

    The answers to the other question Mr Skyllas poses can be found by reading the Constitution of the Pharmacy Guild of Australia, and the Annual Report, both available on the Guild website. I wonder whether Mr Skyllas has taken the trouble to read either document.

    Finally, members did not pay the registration of Councillors at the APP - this was organised by each individual. Council is held just before the APP instead of in Canberra, so there is effectively no difference in travel costs for Councillors."

    Editor's comments continue:
    Organisations such as the Pharmacy Guild of Australia (PGA) are open to criticism if their policies and procedures are not seen to be in the best interests of members, or indeed, the community at large.
    Criticism of the PGA can be found in a number of pages of this publication.
    Whether it is constructive criticism or not is always in the eyes of the beholder (therefore criticism is rarely seen by the organisation criticised as being "constructive").
    However, none of us are immune to criticism and sustained comment can generally begin to influence organisational policy, or at least cause it to undergo a review.
    In general, comment should be directed to the organisation in total, rather than single out individuals.
    It all depends on circumstances.
    Criticism is often lost or suppressed within an organisation, and one of the major reasons for the establishment of i2P was to provide a conduit for opinion, which is not controlled directly or indirectly, by any pharmacy organisation, manufacturer or wholesaler.
    Also, the PGA does not represent all pharmacists, but is given a central role in government negotiations which affect all pharmacists. Thus non PGA members are given a voice.
    Even Auspharmlist is not a fully open forum, because it is sponsored by the PGA and material is filtered before being published. Having said that, Auspharmlist is doing an excellent job in providing an almost "real time" environment for pharmacist comment.
    I would like to draw reader attention to a very recent Auspharmlist poll which posed the following:

    "The Quality Care Pharmacy Program helps my pharmacy provide a quality assured pharmacy service--a little?; a lot?; no"

    The published response was: a lot-- 31%; a little-- 48%; no-- 21%

    Now this is hardly a ringing endorsement of the QCPP given that the majority (69%) sit in the "little" or "no" segments.
    So what is really happening?
    Is the program poorly designed?
    Has it been designed by management consultants who see a good source of billing by ensuring the program is complex, and thus always need consultants for implementation and assessment?
    Why do assessor fees vary so much between states?
    Is the program really too expensive?
    Is there a strategy to ensure the taxpayer (via government agencies) pays the majority of the real QCPP costs, given that it is consumers driving this process?
    Is there a need for program variation to match pharmacy size, and so match the pharmacy's human resources and capital resources.
    Should the program be implemented across the range of pharmacy activity or impemented by rotation, one bit at a time, over a reasonable timeframe?

    It could be said that 69% of pharmacists already engaged in QCPP agree with John Skyllas to a great extent, but have not had the time, or the courage, to make a suitable comment.

    As editor, I see John as trying to get across a point of view, as a Guild member and a QCPP participant, in terms that are highly visible, designed to attract attention.
    In attracting attention, I see Tim defending the QCPP operation because he has put a lot of personal effort into trying to make it a success, and does not want to see the project diminished in any way.

    Both have presented their views in equally strong terms and appear to be poles apart, but both, I believe are arguing for a successful outcome.

    I personally would like to see a successful QCPP but respectfully suggest that it needs considerable refinement, or a complete re-think.
    I am also willing to publish suggested solutions from any pharmacist prepared to put pen to paper.


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